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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 8, 2007 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

i love bob weir....like i think he was a totally under-rated member of the band, and billy kreutzmann too -- he is just completely overlooked as the great, GREAT JAZZ ROCK drummer he was -- absolutely brilliant! both of them, at the height of their powers -- just really brilliant.

but i dont get ratdog. sorry...i dont want to hear them do any dead tunes, ESPECIALLY NOT JERRY ones....STOP playing eyes of the world. it is just an empty gesture....i could see this concert having been fun....a beautiful sunny day, a free concert, an accomplished grateful dead cover band.....yawn....let's go get a sandwhich and take a nap...

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Jul 8, 2007 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

So you're mad that the band is playing songs that they enjoy playing and that their crowd enjoys hearing? Maybe it's something wrong with you rather than something wrong with the band. Obviously enough people feel that Ratdog is able to do the songs justice, and they enjoy someone else bringing their own style to the songs, which is what Ratdog does. The songs are arranged differently so it's not even really the same song.

I guess there are still people who think of Jerry as some sort of untouchable god.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 8, 2007 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

no friend there is no anger here...like i said, i have nothing but love and admiration for bob weir....it's just that some sort of original music would offer more possibility....some new energy. i am sure you can tell me about all the originals that ratdog play....but what i have gathered is, it's about 70% dead material.....i am not interested in hearing phil's group retread the same material either....

and no i in know way think jerry was god, anymore than i think you or i is god....but, if we're gonna stick with the god metaphor, jerry had the facility to help us see/experience god....he was in no way THE THING, just a shepherd if you will....

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 8, 2007 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

I happen to agree with He Live. I really don't have a problem with the remaining members of the dead doing jerry songs but it would be nice if each band found a singer that could pull them off. I think that's where "the dead" failed. Weir and lesh trying to take lead vocals. They should have let Barraco handle that and concentrate on their own tunes vocally. One guy on this site compares weir's vocals on jerry tunes to William shatner talking his way throuigh rocket man and such. Can't remember who it was but he gets a gold star for that one.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 8, 2007 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

Look at it this way...both Weir and Phil aren't shoving anyone off the bus. If anything, they may be bringing new fans onboard. I'm a much bigger Jerry advocate than anyone else in the band, but it still warms my heart that Phil has been able to bring such diverse talent into the fold. I especially like the fact that Warren Haynes and Chris Robinson are good old Southern boys that found their way into the music. I agree that it's not the same, and their will never be another Jerry, but it's still a celebration of the music that we covet.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 8, 2007 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

Earl, excellent points; as i've always said, i may not be a fan of rat dog or the others, but every time phil or bob sings a jerry song, it's just a nod in his direction, the absolute highest respect one artist can give another; cheers

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 8, 2007 9:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

only if it's good

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 8, 2007 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Shhh... Someone doesn't know yet...

nope, not if it's good or bad, only if it doesn't belittle or mock

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jul 9, 2007 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Here's the problem

Since the death of Garcia, every splinter group or incarnation has been judged against the Grateful Dead. How do Phil and Friends stack up against the Dead? Ratdog? Etc.

Why not listen--as hard as this might be--to any given band as a band and not as the left hand of another band? Why not step back and listen to and evaluate Phil as its own entity?

None of these groups are the Grateful Dead, and none of them intends to be. They each have the same well of songs to draw from, and each delights in performing tunes by Jerry--but is that all they are? Dead Ringers? If Phil or Bobby want to sing a Dylan Song or a Stevie Winwood song--is that a bad thing? And if they want to keep Jerry's music alive and in your ears--is that a bad thing? I doubt they are trying to cash in on Garcia's legacy--they have their own, you know.

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Poster: cosmic chuck Date: Jul 9, 2007 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here's the problem

I agree with ghost but i need to add a thought. These bands all have got to have great memories of these songs as much as we do. I do not fault Phil, Bobby or any of the boys for relieving these memories. I know I do by continuing to listen to the shows. On another note Phil's changing lineup of Friends always makes for some interesting interpretations and does at times take that leap into "that place" that i like to go to when listening to the music. Ratdog at time does sound tired but at other times the jazz forms of the dead tunes are reallt very good and slo can lead me to places. In the end it is much like buying a ticket to a show.....they all wont be great but all will be good and this one could be another of those really special ones so lets give a listen!

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